Originally Aired June 3, 2013

WHAT IS THE VEIL BETWEEN HEAVEN AND EARTH? We often think of heaven as some ethereal place far far away. But while modern science is beginning to discover the possibilities of multiples dimensions at places like CERN, Bible scholars like Douglas Hamp are rediscovering what the Bible teaches about heaven to be a place just beyond the veil of our three dimensional world. Douglas Hamp is a graduate of Hebrew University of Jerusalem with an M.A. in the Hebrew Bible with specialization in ancient languages including Biblical Hebrew and Koine Greek. He is currently working on a fictional book looking at the Millennium reign of Jesus on earth. In our conversation, Doug brings to light the many descriptive matters in the Bible like fire and the veil that have become “theologized” by modern day Christian institutions.



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  1. also when I was reading Leviticus I noticed that the priests were supposed to eat the sacrificial animals and that they were forbidden to waste anything (not leave anything over til the next morning) and the phrase "this is your food" seemed to be repeated a lot, so if I understand that correctly, this was also a way that the priests got fed and there was an emphasis on eating everything you kill, seems pretty environmentalist to me

  2. I enjoyed this very much. Reminded me of one occasion that the presence of the Lord was so strong as we prayed and sang praises that I thought we were all gonna die. It was scary powerful and I have been in awe for 30 years, and have no problem humbling myself before him.Thanks

  3. What if gravity was a lie and the earth was flat and all the pictures of earth from space produced by NASA are ALL fake CGI renditions of a fairy tale to support evolution, the big bang, and common ancestry with all life?

  4. +Doug Hamp my third time listening to your interview with Gonz and i have to say it has been a life changing teaching for me. I have never heard of such a teaching concerning the Sacrifices to the Lord, before and after the Cross, not only being symbolic but with a heavy meaning and purpose. It makes since to me. Because as you said, that is an awful lot of dead animals, and blood that flowed before the Cross, and even during the 1000 year reign of Christ. It makes since now, very powerful and very interesting.

    And yes, all because God, our Creator wants to hang out with us, His greatest Creation. As Gonz said, this is a-lot to think about, why i have listened to it 3 times now. again a-lot to take in and consider. I had thought of that often, the 1000 year Reign of Christ and why Sacrifice twice a day during this time unless it had a big purpose and meaning.

    Your explanation of the Presence of God as an all "Consuming Fire". His Presence in His Temple in Heaven and why He sits in His Temple. .Galatians Ch.4, and the symbolic meaning of the Bond and the free, "Hagar and Sarah," the New Jerusalem hovering over the Lower Jerusalem, and why Satan's obsession of the Temple of God in Jerusalem.during the 7 year Tribulation. Gonz asked a great question when he asked about the meaning of the Sacrifices on the Temple Mount during the Tribulation. Yes we have Theologyed ourselves to death, and yes, and amen God wants to hang out with us, bless us and be apart of our life, and for that to be their must be a covering, "force field," dig it. Great point. Awesome teaching, a life changing teaching for me. Praise the Name of the Lord. It's 3 in the morning, and tomorrow is Resurrection Sunday, and what a night for God to show me this, not by accident.

    Putting the pieces together the Sacrifice system makes so much more since to me.
    Questions answered that i new not i had. Their is something more to Jerusalem than we think. God Bless.

  5. Just a thought. We were told that we are the temple of God, so 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 could be referring to satan having a place within us, which when you think about it, all the media, books, magazines, film, music, tv – with all the satanic references largely unnoticed by the public – have a place in people's minds and hearts which they choose over and above loving God with their whole hears, souls, minds and life. It could also point to, and be a combination of the above, along with DNA/tranhumanistic features of humans in the future, which you've referred to previously.

  6. Why not with the Millions of animal Sacrifices!        Messiah's coming = God's coming to let his some of His  'Creation' MURDER Him!      Not 'Once in a Lifetime" but Once in an Eternity!      Is this Guest a member of ASPCA?        I think he is Underestimating the Place of 'Faith' or Trust/Belief in.            Not that 'Faith' Saves because it has to be placed in a Worthy thing anyway.  Christ's Sacrifice Saves.        However, 'Faith' is not to be overlooked because it seems to be the Vehicle or Catalyst in the Sacrifice of the Messiah.       That is, the "Importance" of Faith is not to be overlooked in ANY way!           Faith takes Practice.          Faith takes the experience of receiving what is Promised.   Saving Faith is yet another matter as it's a 'Gift' of God.              Yet, the one (faith) points to and somehow completes the Experience of Saving Faith.       At least for a Nation such as Israel and their particular history.

  7. The Infancy Gospel of Thomas tells us gold and silver are true wisdom and knowledge of God. Makes sense because Jesus tells us in the scriptures that his people are destroyed from a lack of knowledge. I wonder if Lucifer being "covered with jewels" is symbolic for knowledge? He is the cause of man eating from the "tree" of knowledge and he is the leader of the "illuminated ones".


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