Talk Heathen 03.46 with Eric Murphy & Vi La Bianca

00:03:42 Nicolas – Bahamas – Would the world be a safe place without religion?

00:09:21 Shane – UT – Knows there is a god due to love. What is love? Baby don’t hurt me…

00:26:52 Bree – IA – Troubled about the rapture and how it traumatized her as a child

00:33:41 Fred – FL – Claims near death experiences proves there is an afterlife

00:56:31 Aiden – MA – Would like some tips on how to approach apologetics respectfully

01:03:21 Michael – KS – Experienced some rough times and struggling with Christian platitudes.

01:15:17 Troy – TX – Struggled with coming out as an atheist and his wife’s response.

01:21:50 Connor – NV – How to deal with folks who don’t want to hear our point of view.

re: Difficult interactions when someone dies
Grieving a loved one is a difficult and stressful time. I wish clergy did not use it as an opportunity to proselytize. I would urge anyone leading a funeral or memorial gathering to say things that are useful to most or all of the people there, and hopefully to not assume that everyone in your audience shares a particular belief or paradigm. (I understand why a clergyperson leading a gathering for a deceased of the same religion would say things that believers of that religion find useful — that's okay with me, though I would appreciate some tiny acknowledgement that there might be those in the audience who do not share those beliefs.)
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A suggestion when offering comfort to someone whose beliefs are different than your own: do your best to say things that the other person will find comforting.
If I (an agnostic atheist) want to comfort a Christian friend or family member, I'll talk about something we both think to be true, such as that their pain will ease with time, or that I would be happy to listen whenever they want to talk. If it was a difficult illness, I may even use language that fits their views more than mine, such as "I'm glad that they are no longer suffering in this life."
If a Christian wants to comfort a nonbeliever, please do not talk about heaven, or seeing the person again after death — it can cause more stress and anguish for the mourner. Now is not the time to try to convert them. Look at my examples above if you are not sure what things might be comforting that you both believe in.
[Please excuse my colloquial use of the words "believe" and "beliefs"]

I'm late to the party but my mother had an out of death experience and both my sister and I got to witness her scaring the crap out of the doctor by telling him what he'd said at the nurse's station at the other end of the hall. He literally ran out the door and my mother said he never came back into the room. I can't explain it. I just know that I witnessed it. It appears that there is something more and it left my mother unafraid to die. (She was not and did not become religious. I'm atheist by the way.)

I am DEFINITELY trying to dismiss Fred's point that millions of people believe in afterlife. It is preposterous, with no validity and all the harm.

No, I am not saying that it is impossible. That is absurd. But THAT does not lend any credence at all to the claim- it's still fucking idiotic. Okay, that's harsh. All I am saying is that it is easy to dismiss afterlife claims all day and all night. They have no merit.

What are they talking about with the ohio test answers?

Holy Quran, chapter "The Originator", chapter 35:

In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.

1. Praise be to God, Originator of the heavens and the earth, Maker of the angels messengers with wings—double, triple, and quadruple. He adds to creation as He wills. God is Able to do all things.

2. Whatever mercy God unfolds for the people, none can withhold it. And if He withholds it, none can release it thereafter. He is the Exalted in Power, Full of Wisdom.

3. O people! Remember God’s blessings upon you. Is there a creator other than God who provides for you from the heaven and the earth? There is no god but He. So how are you misled?

4. If they reject you, messengers before you were also rejected. To God all matters are returned.

5. O people! The promise of God is true; so let not the lowly life seduce you, and let not the Tempter tempt you away from God.

6. Satan is an enemy to you, so treat him as an enemy. He only invites his gang to be among the inmates of the Inferno.

7. Those who disbelieve will suffer a harsh punishment, but those who believe and do righteous deeds will have forgiveness and a great reward.

8. What of him whose evil deed was made attractive to him, and so he regards it as good? God leads astray whomever He wills, and He guides whomever He wills. Therefore, do not waste yourself sorrowing over them. God knows exactly what they do.

9. God is He who sends the winds, which agitate clouds, which We drive to a dead land, and thereby revive the ground after it had died. Likewise is the Resurrection

Holy Quran, chapter "The Originator", chapter 35:
11. God created you from dust, then from a small drop; then He made you pairs. No female conceives, or delivers, except with His knowledge. No living thing advances in years, or its life is shortened, except it be in a Record. That is surely easy for God.

12. The two seas are not the same. One is fresh, sweet, good to drink, while the other is salty and bitter. Yet from each you eat tender meat, and extract jewelry which you wear. And you see the ships plowing through them, so that you may seek of His bounty, so that you may give thanks.

13. He merges the night into the day, and He merges the day into the night; and He regulates the sun and the moon, each running for a stated term. Such is God, your Lord; His is the sovereignty. As for those you call upon besides Him, they do not possess a speck.

14. If you pray to them, they cannot hear your prayer. And even if they heard, they would not answer you. And on the Day of Resurrection, they will reject your partnership. None informs you like an Expert.

15. O people! It is you who are the poor, in need of God; while God is the Rich, the Praiseworthy.

16. If He wills, He can do away with you, and produce a new creation.

17. And that would not be difficult for God.

18. No burdened soul can carry the burden of another. Even if one weighted down calls for help with its burden, nothing can be lifted from it, even if they were related. You are to warn those who fear their Lord inwardly, and perform the prayer. He who purifies himself purifies himself for his own good. To God is the ultimate return.

19. Not equal are the blind and the seeing.

20. Nor are the darkness and the light.

21. Nor are the shade and the torrid heat.

22. Nor are equal the living and the dead. God causes whomever He wills to hear, but you cannot make those in the graves hear.

23. You are only a warner.

24. We sent you with the truth; a bearer of good news, and a warner. There is no community but a warner has passed through it.

25. If they disbelieve you, those before them also disbelieved. Their messengers came to them with the clear proofs, with the Psalms, and with the Enlightening Scripture.

26. Then I seized those who disbelieved—so how was My rejection?

27. Have you not seen that God sends down water from the sky? With it We produce fruits of various colors. And in the mountains are streaks of white and red—varying in their hue—and pitch-black.

28. Likewise, human beings, animals, and livestock come in various colors. From among His servants, the learned fear God. God is Almighty, Oft-Forgiving.

29. Those who recite the Book of God, and perform the prayer, and spend of what We have provided for them, secretly and publicly, expect a trade that will not fail.

30. He will pay them their dues in full, and will increase them from His bounty. He is Forgiving and Appreciative.

31. What We inspired in you, of the Book, is the truth, confirming what preceded it. God is Well-Informed of His servants, All-Seeing.

32. Then We passed the Book to those of Our servants whom We chose. Some of them wrong their souls, and some follow a middle course, and some are in the foremost in good deeds by God’s leave; that is the greatest blessing.

33. The Gardens of Eden, which they will enter. They will be adorned therein with gold bracelets and pearls, and their garments therein will be of silk.

34. And they will say, “Praise God, who has lifted all sorrow from us. Our Lord is Most Forgiving, Most Appreciative.

Wth choosing religion over a husband/wife is beyond fucked. Also where do they get off that the kids are more their than yours is bullshit. I wait till they are out then change the locks and immediately take her to court claiming child endangerment that they are being subjected to cult behavior.

Vi glasses look like safety glasses

Troy identified a service that is needed in the atheist community: legal advice to protect the interests of the nonbeliever in a divorce from a religious person.

That intro gave me chills
Yeah boi

Michael is great

Shane from Utah sounded high as fuck…lol

The first calll…hes gonna blowhis mind when he learns the only thingin our universe that is NOT energy is information , which is actually just a pattern of energy.

I didn't see Truth Matters any where in the live chat this week…

Shane REALLY entertains himself.

There have been studies where they can show that drugs like dmt and lsd mimic nde's exactly. It is highly likely that nde's are caused by chemical inbalances.

Also different cultures interpret nde's according to their own cultural bias.

Winter in Texas? You have to put on a sweat shirt…. come on up here after the lake freezes and get some Lake Effect Snow ;p

Eric, is it me or is 99% of the flat earthers and antivaxxers super mega christian? A lot of the "use herbs, goovey thoughts, and moon/sun being close" all seem to be biblically based.

24m – Vi saying her church it wasn't about romantic love…. not going to go too far with that but would make a good comedy sketch. Phone rings. "It's me, Jesus, do you mind if me and and holy spirit drop by later?" Followed by a poop ton of "the spirit came upon him" and "letting Jesus into you" double entendre….

Thanks Vi, your off the cuff comment got me laughing about about a scene like that…. have to write that down and film it.

It’s a circle man. ⬜️

E =mc²
Energy is Mass multiplied by Lightspeed squared
Not motion! Its motion squared!
Moron!
😉

Shane is a Troll!
Emotion
E for Energy
plus Motion
its just a word Game!

I always enjoy when vi co hosts.

this episode ….yes ….!!!!
what a great example of critical thinking discussion approach….eric & v are intellectually honest & humane to each caller ..so respectful & equally concise in pushback

There is no evidence that the brain is a transmitter. When the brain looses blood, like a switch on and off that's all.

Fred's ego is doing an excellent job protecting him from change.

Fred: People had near-death experiences, therefore souls exist.
No that's not the only possible conclusion/explanation … there are may others and some can be tested. Fred's cannot be tested, it's just an idea.
He behaved like his explanation was the only possible one.

Fred, NDE’s are not confirmation, what they seem to be is a function of a brain seeing what the person already believes. The person claiming an NDE always seem to experience what they already believe, ie christians see Christian themes, Hindus see Hindu themes etc. if it was true everyone would see one truth regardless of what the person believes.

The sound and video are never synced, there's always a delay. I know it's not my device because it only happens with your show. Just wondering if you can fix that

you two did such a cracking job with fred. you’re improving so much, that was a great call.

Incredibly well handled for Fred… Most of us would have hung up…

Wow , this conversation with Fred was an amazing example of civil , skillful communication on Eric and V's behalf . So much the religious self righteous could learn .

I don’t know why but it seems there is something wrong with the video. It might be blacked again 😪

Is the audio and video slightly off or is it just what I’m watching it on?

Eric, Dude, you are well on your way to Mattism. 😉 You are getting a bit more critical of BS and trolling. You learn well grasshopper.

I think some one confused AFLCIO with ACLU.

Mimi Rogers in THE RAPTURE ( not the sh!tty Nick Cage movie). Co starring Xfiles David Duchovny, is the best anti god movie ever made. Highly recommended.

I'll never understand why a Theist would call a show like this and think they're going to change someone's mind.
It's a waste of time Theist, without the (proper) evidence to support your (extraordinary claims), no Atheist is ever going to believe you.
Only God himself can convince an Atheist of his existence, or maybe some discovery made by science?
Your average religious Joe using the bible doesn't stand a chance in Hell of convincing anyone of anything other than they're batsh!t crazy.

The best argument for the existence of God is no argument at all.

50.ish. . . "When you say 'i don't know ' you give yourself permission to explore " ❤😁👍

When the audio and video are out of sync, this is impossible to watch. Please, please figure out why this keeps happening.